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Post by naranjita on Aug 29, 2005 12:55:53 GMT -5
what information exists about the crow sequence in the sand hall? a crow flies in, disappears, cut, a crow flies in, disappears.
i can make sense of the rest of the film, but this sequence is just strange. why is that crow there? just to be mysterious?
is the crow a comparison to the writer? he only goes half-way and so does the crow. is that "it"?
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Post by The Ferret on Aug 29, 2005 13:19:42 GMT -5
It looks like a seagull, even. I "get" it like further evidence that there's something "strange" in the Zone ----> jokes apart, it could be a "psyonic" portion of the Zone, a task if you want, where your inner "structures" materialize themselves. They are a mere "construct" coming out from someone else's mind= the writer?
In the Zone, traps seem to be psychological, not physical. *YOU* intruder A-R-E the trap of yourself.
Don't put it as written word. Maybe there's nothing wrong in that place.
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Post by naranjita on Aug 29, 2005 13:42:38 GMT -5
well, looking at some still i took, it now seems more like some kind of hawk to me. maybe saying "bird" is a better choice it seems that tarkovsky was partial to the notion that the zone was an invention of the stalker, so that he could be useful to others and instill faith in others (like a true artist). aparently they even thought of shooting a different ending where the stalker sort of confesses to this. i also tend to believe that the events and traps of the zone are mostly psychological events in the minds of the travellers. in any case, i still wonder why that bird is there! the images by themselves just seem mysterious. are there any crows/seagulls/birds in the stories about the wandering jew? is this also why the sand room resembles a desert? this is the most obscure sequence of the entire film, no doubt! that and why the zone still has electricity and a working phone line! (perhaps, with an update, even an internet connection) -- if anyone has any thoughts about these strange elements, i'd love to hear them out.
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Post by The Ferret on Sept 7, 2005 5:09:22 GMT -5
It seems to me almost "impossible" that a Post-disaster area like that has still electricity or viable services like a phone. Of course, I'm talking about an "ordinary" Post-disaster area! So you're touching interesting chords: THERE'S ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO STATE THAT THE "ZONE" COULD be what it pretends to be.
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Post by Pauk on Sept 8, 2005 9:17:48 GMT -5
well, I just came to think about the black cat in the Matrix, that 'deja vu' which means that something has been changed in the system or an error occurred. these different forms of signs may have a similar function. even if we treat the bird/s in a semantic system for itself, they still represent the change or perhaps a "chapter marker". I agree that the room of dunes is the most ominous scene, where time and space have a different value and are actually "cracked". though one can still doubt whether such an image is a proof of specific characteristics of the Zone or it is a presentation of the characters' state of mind, the reflection of their psychological imbalance. anyway, this scene clearly differs from other scenes which have more or less the same purpose to present the Zone and its 'miracles', that is, the room of dunes scene is directly surrealistic, when the other scenes like the dry tunnel is a simulation of the surreal (going round vs. 'teleportation' to the wrong exit).
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